Carrie (00:07)

For today's guest, movement is everything. Chiropractor, runner, business owning data three.

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Brett Lilly is passionate about getting people to move their bodies as we approach what he describes as the AM of our lives to the PM. Brett joins team Mums & Co this year as an expert, sharing his wisdom and expertise with our business owning community to help them focus on the bigger picture and fine tune the goal setting process. Brett, welcome to Mumbition.

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Brett (00:39)

Thank you

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very much for having me.

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Carrie (00:42)

Now, as someone who loves a challenge, we have one for you to kick us off, inviting you to share your 30 second pitch.

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Brett (00:51)

Well, my name is Dr. Brett Lilly and I help people redefine what well-being and vitality means to them. So I do that in five different ways through movement, mindset, longevity, sleep, and also rediscovery. So, you know, these are topics I love, I know really well, but what really matters is how that feels to you, what matters to you and how you make this yours. So owning it is a big part of well-being.

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Carrie (01:17)

I loved, you know, when you said longevity, that really started pinging in my head around, you know, we've got this long life. Right. And, longevity is, something that I think we don't spend enough time focused on. We're really short term at the moment. We're like, you know, give it to me now, instant gratification and, you know, go for it. I'm really resonating with that.

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Brett (01:24)

long as you have it, it is important.

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Lucy (01:28)

Hopefully.

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Brett (01:41)

Life goes on for

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decades and we treat it day by day, week by week, and we kind of try and do everything in a short period of time rather than realizing, it's a long marathon in many ways. And how we live our 30s and 40s has a big effect on the way we become in our 50s and 60s, not just on our health, but also on our energy levels as well as our life, families.

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Carrie (02:04)

So true. And I love that we're having this conversation today because we need, I think, I think we, you know, need a reminder every now and then that what we do now is going to set ourselves up for success in the next decade or the decade after that. So really excited to dive into discussion, but I'm going to take us back a bit because you started your business, I understand, 20 years ago.

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Brett (02:25)

Mm-hmm.

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Carrie (02:29)

So you've been in this for a while and with the benefit of two decades, looking back, was the key to starting for you?

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Brett (02:42)

I probably one of the biggest keys or even the biggest key was grabbing opportunities. I mean, at the time when I started, I was a chiropractor working in a dental clinic and I ended up with this really cool problem. I was too busy. Like I was growing out of my place. So the dentist sat me down and had a bit of a chat and said, it's time for you to leave time for you to move on. And at the time I was quite upset. I thought she was kicking me out.

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Lucy (02:55)

Thank

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Brett (03:08)

But really she was realizing my potential and that I was ready. So in many ways she was helped me on that journey to start on my own. And she was a big mentor and support for me for the first couple of years and even just setting up. So grabbing opportunities, grabbing opportunities is a big one.

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Carrie (03:29)

Love it. Yep. they, they, come at perhaps moments when you expect or moments when you don't, they are. Yeah. Which makes them, you know, how you approach it is makes it the opportunity. And is there one thing that you actually wish you knew before you started, before you set off on everything?

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Brett (03:37)

More often when you're not ready.

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Lucy (03:38)

Hehehehe

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Brett (03:52)

I think the one thing I wish I knew or knew how to do better was absolutely how to say no. At the beginning, when you start a business, you're trying to do, you're the jack of all trades. You're trying to do everything. And for me at the time too, I was a pleaser. So I was spinning a lot of wheels in a lot of the wrong places. So saying no was a big thing.

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Lucy (04:10)

That's amazing. I want to know a bit more about when you say spinning the wheels in the wrong place is what some examples of what you were doing that was one of those.

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Brett (04:21)

I guess at the time it's starting up a chiropractic clinic, you know, back in those days, the web was still new. Everyone was trying to say you need to start a webpage and, you know, these were new things and things that at the time weren't as important from a networking or marketing point of view. But that's where everyone was putting all their focus. It's kind of like AI today, like it's new, it's exciting. So we're putting a lot of energy and thinking, this is the answer.

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But, you know, probably in five years time, AI is going to be the same as electricity. It's just around us. We're just used to it being there now. It's just a part of our life. Back then, the internet was brand new. Web pages were like this glossy thing, but still people were living on the yellow pages. So yeah, that's kind of throwing my age a bit.

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Lucy (05:04)

wow!

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Maybe we need to define what that is because maybe someone, that's a phone book.

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Brett (05:12)

Hahaha!

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The yellow pages

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is how you, you know, that was step number one, one-on-one marketing was you put an ad in the yellow pages when you opened up a business, that was your window front. So that was where you open up a big phone book and you've ran your finger down columns and columns and columns until you found the company you were looking for, slid your finger across to a phone number and it was really tiny. And then you had to read that number and pop it into your phone.

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Lucy (05:21)

Yeah.

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That's a real memory, that one. Yeah. I remember them getting delivered. I remember them. I remember standing on them, actually. They were good for that. Brett, you run your business with your wife, Lisa, which is not an uncommon thing in our community for people to be running alongside their spouse or in partnership in some way. What do you think the secret is to working alongside your spouse or your partner?

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Brett (05:39)

Yeah, wow.

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We'll see you in the car scene.

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Lucy (06:05)

keeping those two elements of life running concurrently.

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Brett (06:09)

Yeah. I don't think there's any particular secret as such. It's it's hard work. mean, it's a relationship and it's the same as any relationship. It's just now this one is one that's really close to home and you know, you've got different hats. So, you know, probably the two biggest things come to mind is boundaries. We are very clear on, on boundaries, you know, almost to the point where we have a job description written for each other that gets updated every three months, every season we update that, but also.

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communication. You know, we both have strengths, weaknesses. know, Lisa's a big supporter of what I do and vice versa. I support her and a lot of what she does as well. She's, you know, I am never allowed to touch the website. Even after 20 years, you know, I am not the guy, the go-to on the website, but you know, it's, it's a relationship. you know, if you're in a, out on a date night, business doesn't come up. There are boundaries. are

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clear cut lines in where things are at and how things are discussed. We'll often have a lot of our meetings out in a coffee shop, not in the house or not in our work studio, for example. And, you know, guys, don't forget to buy flowers.

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Lucy (07:21)

Very true. And what about parenting hacks? Cause you have three children between you, including twins, twin girls. How does that happen? Eight year old? Yeah. Yeah.

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Brett (07:22)

We.

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We have eight year old twin girls. Yeah. Life gets busy. I

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I think the thing with kids is, intensity and intention. You've, you know, you've got to give them the time when you're with them. You've got to be with them. You can't be picking up the phone, waiting for this, trying to organize that at the same time. And, you know, let's face it. It's the same when Maggie Denton was talking. They know, they know when you're with them and not, or they know when your heads in different places as well. So.

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Really spending that time with him is a critical factor and know, kids grow up quickly. You've got to be there for them.

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Lucy (08:07)

Yeah, love that, very true. Now let's talk a little bit about your personal journey because as well as growing a business, you've also experienced an incredible amount of personal transformation, having suffered from chronic pain and you've also survived cancer. So I wanted to dig into that a little bit with your permission because what I think is interesting to talk about is do you think

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Brett (08:08)

Mm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Lucy (08:34)

that you have personality traits that really helped you to come through both of those experiences? Or is that something you've had to develop?

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Brett (08:46)

Actually, it's a, well, that's a whole conversation on its own. yeah, developing is a big part of that, you know, particularly after a diagnosis like cancer, you know, that really stops you in your tracks. So it is a growth journey. It's a, it's a lot of different things, but what got me through that, think is perseverance is a big thing for me. And, you know, I talk about that a lot in mindset. Perseverance is grit. It's your ability to kind of keep going.

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to keep walking up that mountain at whatever pace that might be. But if Lisa was here, I'm sure she would throw in stubbornness, absolutely stubborn. But also, particularly cancer is a strong sense of curiosity. Really staying in your own space, in your own essence. And creativity is a big part of that. When we lose that creativity, that's when we start to get challenged a lot more in life.

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Lucy (09:36)

sipping

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Carrie (09:36)

stuffiness

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is underrated. Sorry. I'm going to...

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Brett (09:38)

Hahaha

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Lucy (09:39)

Mm-mm.

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Yeah.

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Carrie (09:43)

I think back to, we often describe kids as stubborn. And I actually think because they are actually so clear, like it makes so much sense to them when they're young and we interpret it as stubbornness, but they're actually really focused. They're really focused and they're like, I'm gonna achieve this goal. I think sometimes that, and then that stubbornness perhaps grows into,

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Brett (09:49)

Hmm.

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Carrie (10:10)

perseverance because you don't give up like when you're being stubborn you actually go I'm gonna get that I'm gonna do what I want to do and you don't give up so anyway I just want to bat for stubbornness

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Brett (10:21)

No, it's a big point. It's a huge point. And seeing how

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kids do that is a big lesson for us as adults as well. Like they can get really stuck into something as simple as Play-Doh when they're younger, but they really want to get it right. One of our children is really, you she, can be talking to her at the same time, but she is zoned out. She's stuck in her moment until she gets it. And then once she's get it, once she gets it, she's happy to move on and eat a dinner or whatever it was that you were trying to get her to finish doing.

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Lucy (10:41)

Mm.

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Yeah. I have one. I have a child like that too.

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Brett (10:52)

Yeah, it's a teacher. It really teaches where else.

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Lucy (10:58)

Yes, yeah and it's a beautiful word perseverance. You don't hear it enough I don't feel like it's a it's a really it's a beautiful word and it has lots of power and I think it connects also to I wanted to just get a little bit into also you know the goal setting process because that's part of what you're teaching here at Mums and Co and with our community over the next six months or so in your workshops as well but

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Brett (11:25)

Mm.

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Lucy (11:26)

What do you think distinguishes your approach to goal setting? I'm assuming it's around those words that we've just talked about, but if you could talk a little bit more about that.

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Brett (11:35)

Yeah, I mean, I dive a lot more into that personal journey. Goal setting is, know, we all know about goal setting. Like we hear it all the time. We know the smart goals and, and, you know, goal setting is achievement. It's the science of achievement. But really what I get more interested in is, you know, is how you grow along the way. You know, growth is a big part of that. When you set that goal, it's not just the achievement, the physicality or the financial or, or, you know, business development that you're after.

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but it's also the person that you become along the way. So growth is a big part of that for me. And so that's kind of really why I dive into, you know, why are you doing that? Why does it matter? You know, what's the meaning behind this? And so really that's kind of the process of becoming as you grow your and achieve your goals from that physicality point of view, but mindset and your own spiritual wellbeing is a big part of that. That's energy.

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Lucy (12:28)

Yeah, you're right.

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Carrie (12:29)

And just to build on that, you know, where do you think people get most stuck in terms of seeing that goal through to fruition? Is there a common key challenge or is it based more on the individual? know, goals are fascinating.

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Brett (12:46)

Yeah, I think there's a couple of, there's a couple of patterns in there.

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You know, one of them is people get very serious. They get serious on something like the, you know, they're getting strained in some area, like financially, they might be getting strained or, or something's not happening quickly enough. And so suddenly they get, you know, it becomes all serious and they get frantic, they get frustrated or they get anxious or, and so now they start living in their head and they forget that creativity or

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Lucy (13:01)

Mm.

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Brett (13:13)

the reason why they started that in the first place and it's when they're in that space that they're their best selves. So going back to that, but when you're in your head, now you're running, you know, tired, exhausted, and you're not making decisions anywhere near from the space of where you really, you know, your center basically. So knowing your essence and knowing where your creativity is and why you started this in your first place, keeping connected to that is a big part of your goal achievement.

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Carrie (13:40)

And how would you go into addressing that? So knowing that that's going to happen, would you actually set up some strategies to go at some point, you're to get frustrated?

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Brett (13:49)

Absolutely, you're always going to get frustrated. If you're not getting frustrated, then you're not trying hard enough. Like you're stepping out into things that you don't know about. You're stepping out into the unknown. mean, you know, it's like the story I was talking about at the beginning. I was working in a dental clinic and it was my safe place. I loved it there. I knew how it worked. knew this, you know, how each day ran. But when I started my own clinic right at the beginning, now everything's new. I had to start learning that whole learning process in totally different way.

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Carrie (13:55)

the goals up, you know.

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Lucy (13:55)

He

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Brett (14:19)

So how we learn is a big part of that. Kids learn, if you want to go back to kids, by being creative, by being playful. And having that huge sense of adventure is a big part of that. When you get to start your own business, that's a sense of adventure. If you treat that too seriously and lose that sense of adventure, now you're starting to look at the watch all the time. We're not meeting the budget deadlines. This is financially out of, you're not being playful and

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hitting it hard with all your creativity and the person that you are. That's what growth is about and that's what I bring into that goal setting sort of scenario.

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Carrie (14:56)

Amazing. Now, Brett, you've recently published, it about a year ago, your book, which is called The Athlete Within. Tell us a little bit about the book and what have you learned about yourself and your business during this time?

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Brett (15:12)

Well, the book, Rediscover Your Athlete Within is it's a process book, basically. It takes people on their journey, rediscovery, you know, what they were like as a kid. Like, you know, we look at all our kids, they're all born with a, a certain personality and you kind of see that as they grow up and think, wow, they've always been like that. But, you know, The book really starts to dive into rediscovery, what you were like as a kid, what you enjoyed playing, whether you were a dancer, singer, whether you like kicking a ball.

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And how much of that you do in your daily life now, but also the book dives into who you are as a person, goal setting, and the importance of physicality, longevity. It has a big chapter on mindfulness, on mindset, looking at grit, growth, perseverance, all the things that we've been talking about, but also looking at accountability and your village and the people you surround yourself with.

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the house, you what you surround yourself in your house. All these different parts of it is really what makes up our athlete, who we are as an athlete isn't just a physical movement, but moving is a big part of our creativity. So when we're stuck in our chair all day long, we start to lose that creativity. Moving is a big part of our life and the way we are as human beings, the human condition. And that's kind of really what the book dives into. But, you know, I think writing the book is

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is, you know, it's almost a journey in self development. You really, you know, for me too, it brought out a lot of that internal critic, you know, who's going to read this? Like, why is this important? And it becomes, you know, that, that question in your head is this, you know, what's on this page? Is it worth reading? And so I guess the book, and also, you know, the business since the book is more about becoming a better decision maker for myself and

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and learning how to trust in myself a lot more all over again in a new way, at a new level. decision-making is a big part of that process.

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Carrie (17:05)

And, you know, I wanted, I think we had a conversation a few months ago and it was around, you know, even how we define athletes, because the notion of, you know, would you describe yourself as an athlete? It's something that we often talk about a month ago because,

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A lot of women don't necessarily define themselves as entrepreneurs, yet the definition of an entrepreneur is you are actually setting something up from scratch, trying to achieve a commercial outcome, to drive it and achieve a goal. So anyone's an entrepreneur that starts a small business owner, but that title...

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Brett (17:28)

Yes.

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Carrie (17:41)

has a bit of stigma around it. It seems a little bit more inaccessible. So I'm wondering if you could dive into, know, even just the concept of an athlete for our community, is that applicable to them?

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Brett (17:53)

Yeah, absolutely. mean, for a lot of moms, you know, we've got families and all these other things we're juggling. So, you know, in my experience, a lot of moms often put themselves down the list a little bit better. They're trying to put the kids first, this first, other things first. And so our value system starts to get, you know, challenged in some ways. So an athlete is a really great analogy to kind of look at that. Most of the time we think about an athlete is, you know, an elite athlete, an Olympian, you know, gold medal.

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and everything is so precise and disciplined and you're just doing one thing, it's all about the training. But being an athlete is about movement and exploring your own sense of movement and that's our energy, that's our vitality, that's our wellbeing. So when we do workshops, we've had people walk away and their athlete has been going back and joining the choir. A lot of people talk about gardening and...

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Lucy (18:44)

and we'll

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Brett (18:46)

hiking, bush walking. It doesn't have to be just going to the gym three times a week and, and getting a big sweat up really quickly or, those types of things. Or, you know, I do Pilates twice a week. Well, that's good. But is that also part of, you know, the deeper purpose of who you are as a person as well? That might be a physical thing, which is really good, but I want to know also at a deeper level, who you are as an athlete, not just, yes, I look fit. I've got this body that does this.

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But also do you have the energy to jump out of bed in the morning? Do you even feel refreshed? Is a great question to ask people as an athlete. And again, look at your kids. You send them outdoors and what do they start doing? They're running around, they're playing and they are not coming in until you call them in for dinner or until it's dark.

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Lucy (19:22)

Hmm.

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Brett (19:35)

That's an athlete.

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Carrie (19:35)

That's true.

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Lucy (19:37)

Love that question. So that like that sense of play, that's what I'm hearing. And I have read your book, Brett, and I loved it. And it was actually a real journey to think, take back to that age, like to be a child myself. I have an eight year old and an 11 year old. So they're fully in their childhood and they're very active boys. And I joke that I spent, well, I joke that I spent the last 10 years trying to wear them out, but I've actually just worn myself out.

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Brett (19:44)

Thank you.

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Yeah.

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Ha ha ha.

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Lucy (20:05)

but they've, but they've taught me a lot about the need to release that, that energy within your body because they can't, they literally can't sit still. Like that's just not what they want to do. and that, that sense of play that that's wrapped into it. So what I'm hearing is you're saying like, it's not just about purely doing exercise for exercise sake, even though we know that that's really important.

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Brett (20:31)

Hmm.

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Lucy (20:31)

actually

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doing something that connects to your spirit and connects to your identity for the physical benefits, but then the mental benefits. Because I think as adults, we get so compartmentalize about everything in life. It's like, no, well, I'm doing my exercise and then I'm doing my work and then I'm doing this and kids don't do that. Like it's all a big jumble and a mess most of the time. So that's sort of what I took from

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Brett (20:34)

Absolutely.

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Yeah, I mean.

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Lucy (20:58)

Yeah, what you're teaching. So you've got to, there's an intersect between those three things, but you have to have an openness. And I suppose that also comes with being able to deal with your stress. Because as adults, when we're stressed, we just shut down. We get hyper-focused. Yeah, I could be speaking for myself here, but if I'm stressed, I get super focused. I tend to do more. I tend to pile more on myself in an effort to, don't know what, but yeah.

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Brett (21:28)

Yeah. You know, the way we move is, is a really great way when you get home is to how to decompress. You know, you've had a big day. You've had a whole lot of meetings going on. Then you, you've got kids jumping around all around you and they're frantic. You're trying to get dinner ready, but you know, going for a walk in the evenings is a great way to download, unload, you know, Decompressing is a big part of today. We're on our phones all the time. Our minds are constantly on. So moving,

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Lucy (21:29)

yeah.

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Brett (21:55)

allows you to find space, moving allows you to find freedom. know, Sometimes, I present particularly to CEOs and when I present to CEOs, I discuss a little more how movement creates to, you know, opens the doors to creativity for them as well. So for a CEO, trying to be creative is hard for them when they're, you know, their day is very engineered, it's very structured, they've got big decisions to make. So, you know, they're constantly thinking about, you know, what's the answer to this big question?

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Lucy (22:10)

Yeah.

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Brett (22:25)

But essentially, keeping them in touch with that creativity, moving is a big part of that as well. And they don't think about that. They just, well, I've been to the gym today. Okay, that's good. Maybe it's time to go outside and go for a walk around the block and come back in and try that again with a fresh mind. But even when I coach people, one of the things I get people to do is buy a trampoline. Like keep that out the back door and...

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How often do you put your, you your kids run outside, they jump on a trampoline and within minutes they're laughing, they're playing, they're singing. And it's the same, like when did you jump on a trampoline last? It is so much fun. You're missing out. You got to jump on the trampoline with your two boys and then go back and let me know how that went.

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Lucy (23:02)

longer.

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We have a trampoline, I'm just looking at our trampoline,

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it's right in my eyesight, yes.

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Carrie (23:09)

But

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Brett (23:09)

Hahaha

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Carrie (23:10)

when did you jump on it?

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Lucy (23:11)

I didn't. no, I did when we first got it. That was a while ago. But yes, I take that. You know, I'm just thinking like, imagine if in all, you know, big corporations, there was just this play center for adults and that, you know, that was just what you did. You went and climbed up some rope or you just jumped on a trampoline or just like to just disassociate from your brain. It's such an important message, particularly I think, you know,

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Carrie (23:37)

Maybe that could

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be like an extension of the Mums and Co membership, they'd see like, set up a Mums and Business playground and we'll like have one version for kids and one version for adults. Love it.

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Lucy (23:41)

Yeah!

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Brett (23:42)

Yeah, I like how this is going.

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Lucy (23:49)

I love that idea. When you were writing your book, used your fellow Mums and Co expert, Andrew Griffiths as a support person. So he is many things, but among them are a book writing coach. I'd love to know a little bit more about how having his expertise helped

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Brett (23:50)

You have breakout rooms.

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Mmm.

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Lucy (24:18)

along that side of that writing journey.

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Brett (24:22)

Well, I'm a big believer in coaches. think everyone needs a coach to kind of keep themselves on track accountable. But Andrew in particular is highly structured. Like he brings a level of organization that's was way above where I've worked at in clinics and different things that I've done in the past as well. you know, frameworks on, on how you set up your day, how I'm thinking, you know, and that particularly for me was very important in, in writing.

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I can write, write, write, and write, but in an organized way to kind of, what am I trying to write towards? His level of expertise was in organization. Being structured is a big part of that. So if you ask Andrew about a framework, he's got frameworks for everything. He's thought about this before. And also, Andrew's written, what, 20 books or something like that as well. So he knows the industry in and out.

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You know, he's the guy, he's the man, he's the go-to person.

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Lucy (25:17)

He is, and I know that he's helped over, I asked him the other day, over 300 women in small business in Australia to write a book. So if you're thinking about writing a book, looking at Carrie from the side of my eye.

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Brett (25:26)

Wow.

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Have you got a book in your carry? That's the question.

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Lucy (25:35)

Yes, she does.

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Carrie (25:37)

think that was just one of, I don't know, was one of the life goals, right? Bucket list goals. But I just haven't quite landed to the topic yet. yeah, Lucy is a great, great sort of advocate and support in my corner and, you know, talking about your experience and writing a book, it's something that I might have to set as a new year goal.

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Speaking about goals, might need your help with that, Brett.

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Lucy (25:59)

Yes.

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Brett (25:59)

Well, yeah, well, for

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me too, was, you know, I was never interested in writing a book. Andrew saw me speak and that's where he kind of came up to me following the presentation and said, you've got a book inside of you. And I was like, no, but you know, I went and pitched him a couple of different ideas and I was very academic. I wanted to do, you know, an athlete story, but how to train and condition and, you know, a lot of detail and research in it. And he kind of just said,

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boring, like really? You know, who's going to read this book? And I was, you know, it was a book written for me, basically. But I kind of went away and came back with a with an idea and thought about what I had done, you know, in a clinic for so many years is helping people get through pain, get through conditions, get through different scenarios. And one of the ways I'd always done that was say, you know, where's your athlete? Come on, bring out this

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Lucy (26:31)

Yeah.

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Brett (26:57)

this athlete with inside of you and let's, let's work on this together. And so, you know, that's kind of a conversation I started having with Andrew and that's where the title came from, you know, rediscover your athlete within. And he said, there's your title, go and write. So that was literally how the journey began for me as well. didn't really, wasn't destined to go out and write a book, but it kind of just fell and, and made sense to me. So Carrie.

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Lucy (27:14)

I could.

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Brett (27:22)

Put some pictures together, put some ideas together and go pitch them and see where it takes you. We always try and think we've got to have the book finished before we even start it. And, you know, a book starts with an idea. A business starts with an idea. And, you know, really what comes to the book is what you bring to the book. So really you have that personality, you have stories inside of you. We want you to share those stories and that's what a book can really do. And Andrew really helps have that conversation to really bring that

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Carrie (27:28)

Bye to you.

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Lucy (27:31)

Yeah.

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Brett (27:53)

down to a point. So it's not just all these ideas up in the air, but kind of how to land it. And that's where Andrew's gift is.

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Lucy (28:03)

Yeah, I love that.

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Carrie (28:04)

I see your gifts coming

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Brett (28:04)

So

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Carrie (28:05)

through

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Brett (28:05)

Carrie's thinking now.

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Carrie (28:05)

there too. We'll ruin that over there.

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Brett (28:08)

Hahaha

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Lucy (28:11)

Yes, we

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will. We will be brewing on that. Yeah, we need an accountability goal. Just joking, not really. And is there anyone else that provides support for you, Brett, in your business, in your business life and in your general life?

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Brett (28:12)

Yeah, I'll come back to you in three minutes.

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I think a lot of people are mentors in my life. There's a lot of people that role models in my life as well. know, goal setting is a big thing for me as well. And I have goal sets, goals around a lot of different things. And one of the things I do when I goal set is also put in a mentor. So it may not be someone that I'm talking to, but it might be someone I have that's a role model or stands out for me in that area and think, that's what I want to be. Or that's the person that's in my A team.

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So, you know, that becomes, you know, lifts my standard of when I'm going towards that goal. It keeps me inspired and it also, it keeps me accountable and on target with that goal as well. just think about that person when I get into that, into that space. And, you know, that's kind of what keeps pulling me forward and keeps, keeps me moving up that hill. So yeah, I guess I use mentors in all kinds of different ways.

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Lucy (29:17)

I absolutely.

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Yeah, I absolutely love that idea.

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Brett (29:23)

Hmm.

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Lucy (29:25)

Now we're coming to the end of our chat.

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The question that we love to ask anyone on this podcast, Brett, is how we can help you. So we're a community, as you know, of business owning women. You also recently attended our Be Empowered conference for 2024. And you were part of that amazing experience as well. Is there something that we can do to help support you over the next six to 12 months? And share that with our community?

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Brett (29:43)

Mmm.

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Yeah, I mean, the key thing I do is coaching. And I think you've picked that up through our conversation and your most of that is coaching one-on-one. So if you think there's anyone in your group that needs a handout, please reach out and let me know and see if that's something we can be a fit with.

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Lucy (30:11)

Thank you. And is there anything else you'd like to share with us today?

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Brett (30:16)

yeah, I mean, I think, you know, particularly with moms and Co's having a business is a personal journey. So, you know, those rules that give you a business rules that create structure in a business, but obviously the business is you, you're the starting point of that. So a key thing is always keeping your mind of why are you doing this business? And I think that's kind of a good takeaway message.

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Lucy (30:17)

You haven't

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Brett (30:40)

to kind of remember too in your own personal growth and becoming the person that you're becoming as a business woman.

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Lucy (30:47)

Beautiful. Thank you so much.

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Brett (30:49)

Thank you for having me. It's been a good chat. It's kind of gone into a couple of really cool different areas.

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